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Five Exercises in Rare Date Gold Coin Pricing

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For collectors and dealers alike, accurately pricing a coin remains perhaps the most difficult process in all of numismatics. This shouldn’t be the case as there are numerous price guides who offer years of experience and expertise to assist collectors and dealers. Unfortunately, none of these are 100% accurate as many coins are exceptionally difficult to price.

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In my opinion, the flaw behind price guides is that they attempt to commoditize coins. In their eyes, all 1904 double eagles graded MS64 are worth the same. But we know this is not the case.

In every series, there are multiple levels of price for each specific issue. This is due to the fact that, fair or not, the market perceives that there are four tiers of grade for each coin (not factoring in plus grades or grade modifiers such as “star” or “Prooflike”, or coloration and strike).

These tiers are as follows:

  • PCGS with CAC
  • NGC with CAC
  • PCGS without CAC
  • NGC without CAC

This in and of itself leads to confusion but there are more factors to consider when evaluating a coin’s price: How original is it? How colorful is it? How rare is it? How in demand is it?

I’m going to select five fairly random (and totally hypothetical) examples of better date gold coins and discuss how I would come up with a fair retail price for each one. To help us with base levels for each issue we will use the CDN, the NGC Price Guide and the PCGS Price Guide. We will also use recent auction prices (APRs).

1. 1839-O Quarter Eagle NGC EF45

1839-O Quarter Eagle NGC EF45. Image courtesy Doug Winter NumismaticsOur first coin is a decent-quality but not really choice NGC EF45 1839-O quarter eagle.

This is an extremely popular issue due to its status as a one-year type and as the very first quarter eagle from New Orleans. It is a fairly common issue in Extremely Fine but at this price point, it is in demand.

CDN: $3,100

NGC: No value listed

PCGS: $4,000

Recent APRs for NGC EF45: $2,760 (3/18), $2,820 (11/16)

This is an easy coin to price. There are two reasonably current APRs and the coin itself is nothing special. I’d say $2,650-2,950 is a fair range.

In this case, the published price guides are a bit on the high side.

2. 1855-S Three Dollars PCGS/CAC MS61

1855-S Three Dollars PCGS/CAC MS61. Image courtesy Doug WinterOur second coin is a very choice, fresh-out-of-the woodwork 1855-S Three Dollar graded MS61 by PCGS and approved by CAC.

This isn’t necessarily a very popular coin but it is very rare and desirable. A quick search of this imaginary coin reveals a population of just one in MS61 with one finer (an MS62+ that sold for $55,225).

CDN: $30,000 (MS60)

NGC: $36,300 (MS60)

PCGS: $32,500 (MS61)

Recent APRs for MS61: None, but a PCGS AU58 CAC brought $18,800 in late 2016, and the aforementioned PCGS MS62+ realized $55,225 in early 2016.

This is an extremely hard coin to price. As a rare date gold specialist, I am aware that the Three Dollar series is finally showing signs of life after years of stagnation. I would be a willing buyer for this 1855-S given it is a population one with one finer coin (which is numismatically significant), and which would be the only example of this date approved by CAC in Uncirculated.

I think this date is now worth at least $20,000 in PCGS/CAC AU58 and the 2/16 APR for the PCGS MS62+ presently seems sort of cheap; today it is easily a $60,000+ coin. Given this data, it seems that $40,000 is the right number for our MS61 as it is midway between a nice AU58 and an MS62+. Could I see it priced higher? Absolutely, and I certainly wouldn’t pass at $45,000, but $50,000 feels like too high of a number.

As you can see, pricing a coin like this is sort of like throwing a dart at a board. You have to use your expertise and your feel when establishing a price for a very rare but thinly traded coin.

For this coin, published price guides aren’t especially helpful. Hopefully, after this coin was sold, price guides would be changed to reflect this transaction.

3. 1873-CC Half Eagle, PCGS AU50

Our third coin is a slightly above average PCGS AU50 1873-CC half eagle. This hypothetical coin has been to CAC and it wasn’t approved but it is nice enough to be in my inventory.

Any collector with basic knowledge of the Carson City half eagle series knows that the 1873-CC is scarce in all grades and it is quite rare in properly graded AU.

CDN: $21,000

NGC: $25,400

PCGS: $27,500

Recent APRs for PCGS AU50: $25,850 (5/18) and $21,150 (2/14). These are the only two records for PCGS AU50; the most recent NGC record is $21,150 in 1/13.

Despite this coin’s rarity and the long-time popularity of CC half eagles, this isn’t a date collectors seem to appreciate and I’ve had trouble selling the last few I’ve owned, making me unlikely to be an aggressive buyer of this coin unless it was really choice.

The most recent APR is current enough that I’d want to price another example slightly below that record to make it move more quickly. So, even though there is just a single record for a PCGS AU50 in the last five years, I’d probably want to pay around $22,000-24,000 for this coin and sell it as $25,000-27,000.

In this case, published price guides are reasonably accurate.

4. 1841-O Eagle, PCGS AU50 CAC

1841-O Eagle, PCGS AU50 CAC. Image courtesy Doug WinterOur fourth coin is a really nice PCGS/CAC AU50 1841-O eagle. It is accurately graded and original; not an upgrade but very nice.

No Motto New Orleans eagles are currently very popular and this is one of the rarest issues in the series. A quick glimpse at population figures shows seven graded AU50 by PCGS with eight finer (these numbers are almost certainly inflated) while CAC has approved just a single coin with two finer. Clearly, this is a great coin and one I would be an aggressive buyer of.

CDN: $25,000

NGC: $24,500

PCGS: $27,500

Recent APRs for PCGS AU50s: The last sale was in 6/2007 at $23,000 while the last NGC AU50 was $21,150 in 9/16. In this case, I’d look at AU53 APRs as well, and the last PCGS AU53 sold for $25,850 in 1/14.

In my opinion, basal value for a very average quality AU50 example of this date is at least $25,000. Since our hypothetical coin is both PCGS and CAC (and nice), I can easily see paying $30,000-32,500 for it and would moan and complain at $35,000 but would still likely write a check. I would then price it at $37,500-42,500 depending on the circumstances. Yes, that’s a lot of money but this is a really good coin with a large pool of potential buyers.

In this case, all published price information is well too low. This is attributable to these sources not realizing how significant a coin this is and, as I stated above, not all AU50s being created equal.

5. 1879-S Double Eagle, NGC MS62 CAC

1879-S Double Eagle, NGC MS62 CAC. Image courtesy Doug Winter Our fifth and final coin is an NGC/CAC 1879-S double eagle graded MS62. Let’s assume this coin is really nice; not likely to upgrade to MS63 but a virtual lock to cross if submitted to PCGS.

The 1879-S is a very funky date which has a huge price spread between MS62 and MS63. An average quality MS62 is worth around $9,000, while an MS63 is likely worth in excess of $30,000. Only eight have been graded MS63 by PCGS (none by NGC), but with 99 graded MS62 by PCGS (plus 53 by NGC) the chances are good that at least a few coins will gradeflate into MS63 holders.

CDN: $12,900

NGC: $14,200

PCGS: $13,500

Recent APRs for PCGS or NGC MS62s with CAC approval: $13,200 (4/18; PCGS), $18,600 (4/17; NGC), $14,100 (8/16; PCGS), and $14,100 (4/16; NGC).

Enough of these in MS62/CAC have traded in the last year to note that prices are trending downwards on this date/grade. This is due to a large hoard of US gold coins come into the market from overseas sources. This hoard includes numerous early Type Three double eagles from San Francisco and the market is reacting to this increased supply by dropping in price.

Even the last NGC/CAC MS62 traded for $18,600 in April 2017, I view this as an outlier. I would probably want to be in this coin at around $11,000 so that I could price it below CDN Bid; say at around $12,250 or so.

In this case, the published price information is too high as it doesn’t take into account the market dynamics that are reshaping Type Three double eagles.

Some better-date US gold coins are very easy to price but the majority of them are not. A wide variety of factors impact the market, ranging from the quality of the specific coin to the rarity of an issue to its level of demand and to external forces such as hoards. Collectors and dealers who focus too much on published price data will find it frustrating to buy choice and rare issues. It is my opinion that only with years of personal observation and experience can collectors properly price these issues.

What are your thoughts about rare coin pricing? Please feel free to share them in the Comments section below.

Doug Winter Numismatics, specialists in U.S. gold coins

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About Doug Winter

Doug_Winter2Doug has spent much of his life in the field of numismatics; beginning collecting coins at the age of seven, and by the time he was 10 years old, buying and selling coins at conventions in the New York City area.

In 1989, he founded Douglas Winter Numismatics, and his firm specializes in buying and selling choice and rare United States coins, especially US gold coins and all branch mint material.

Recognized as one of the leading specialized numismatic firms, Doug is an award-winning author of over a dozen numismatic books and the recognized expert on US Gold. His knowledge and an exceptional eye for properly graded and original coins has made him one of the most respected figures in the numismatic community and a sought after dealer by collectors and investors looking for professional personalized service, a select inventory of impeccable quality and fair and honest pricing. Doug is also a major buyer of all US coins and is always looking to purchase collections both large and small. He can be reached at (214) 675-9897.

Doug has been a contributor to the Guidebook of United States Coins (also known as the “Redbook”) since 1983, Walter Breen’s Encyclopedia of United States and Colonial Coins, Q. David Bowers’ Encyclopedia of United States Silver Dollars and Andrew Pollock’s United States Pattern and Related Issues

In addition, he has authored 13 books on US Gold coins including:
  • Gold Coins of the New Orleans Mint: 1839-1909
  • Gold Coins of the Carson City Mint: 1870 – 1893
  • Gold Coins of the Charlotte Mint: 1838-1861
  • Gold Coins of the Dahlonega Mint 1838-1861
  • The United States $3 Gold Pieces 1854-1889
  • Carson City Gold Coinage 1870-1893: A Rarity and Condition Census Update
  • An Insider’s Guide to Collecting Type One Double Eagles
  • The Connoisseur’s Guide to United States Gold Coins
  • A Collector’s Guide To Indian Head Quarter Eagles
  • The Acadiana Collection of New Orleans Coinage
  • Type Three Double Eagles, 1877-1907: A Numismatic History and Analysis
  • Gold Coins of the Dahlonega Mint, 1838-1861: A Numismatic History and Analysis
  • Type Two Double Eagles, 1866-1876: A Numismatic History and Analysis

Finally, Doug is a member of virtually every major numismatic organization, professional trade group and major coin association in the US.


Doug Winter
Doug Winterhttps://www.raregoldcoins.com
Doug Winter founded Douglas Winter Numismatics (DWN) in 1985. The nationally renowned firm specializes in buying and selling rare United States gold coins. He has written over a dozen books, including the standard references on Charlotte, Dahlonega, and New Orleans gold coinage, and Type 1 Liberty Head Double Eagles. Douglas has also contributed to the A Guidebook of United States Coins, Walter Breen’s Encyclopedia of United States and Colonial Coins, Q. David Bowers’ Encyclopedia of United States Silver Dollars, and Andrew Pollock’s United States Pattern and Related Issues. He is a member of the PNG, the ANA, the ANS, the NLG, CAC, PCGS, and NGC - among other professional affiliations. Contact Doug Winter at [email protected].

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  1. My low budget allows me to focus on rarity over condition in the quarter liberty gold market. Consequently I am quite willing to pick up cheap but very rare say 1859s VG for under $300 or more because I value its 85 known over say a 1907 ms60+ because I know those aren’t very rare whatsoever regardless of their usually high prices.

    Thus I have 75 mostly very rare liberty gold quarter eagles & have yet to pay over $2000 for one in Ebay


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