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The Expanded Family of Counterfeit Large Cents Based on the 1833 N-5 Variety

By Jack D. Young, Early American Coppers (EAC) for CoinWeek …..
In my previous CoinWeek article on these 1833 “N-5” counterfeits, I cited the genuine source coin used to create the dies for the fakes. That example has a couple of key “attribution” defects that should be unique only to it but were transferred into the false dies:

The Expanded Family of Counterfeit Large Cents Based on the 1833 N-5 Variety

The Expanded Family of Counterfeit Large Cents Based on the 1833 N-5 Variety

In the article, I show several counterfeit examples of various dates attributed to this source die pairing – including a friend’s “1824”; dies were created, and dates were added to create the “family” of fakes:

They also created counterfeit off-center errors based on the same N-5! My example:

The Expanded Family of Counterfeit Large Cents Based on the 1833 N-5 Variety

Mine was almost sold at a major coin show but was caught in time and forwarded to me! There was a “higher grade” example offered for sale by a major internet seller but the sale was ended after the seller was notified. I highlighted a couple of common marks between the two:

I did make an error in the article showing my 1827. As serious students/ collectors of the series know, the 1833 N-5 and 1833 N-3 obverses and reverses look much alike, and I made a rookie mistake, as the obverse has the fake 1833 N-5 divot, but the reverse is from an 1833 N-3:

Comparison image of the 1833 N-5 reverse of the genuine source coin on the left and a counterfeit 1833 N-3 reverse on the right:

The Expanded Family of Counterfeit Large Cents Based on the 1833 N-5 Variety

So, to make matters worse, they are mixing and matching the dies, as they created this off-center error version dated 1827 as well but with the N-5 reverse.

The Expanded Family of Counterfeit Large Cents Based on the 1833 N-5 Variety

So, the counterfeiters are creating new die pairs, maybe to make this all the more difficult for collectors to discern!

A recent 1826 large cent’s authenticity was just questioned in a recent post on a popular online coin forum and it also appears to match the N-5/ N-3 counterfeit die pairing:

These continue to get better and more deceptive to folks not well versed in the series. I actually added a couple of examples to my collection recently, including this “1833 N-5”:

The Expanded Family of Counterfeit Large Cents Based on the 1833 N-5 Variety

And this not-ready-for-prime-time counterfeit of the 1824 cent; should be pretty easy based on this review to tell “what’s wrong with this picture?”!

Yes, it’s still a jungle out there. I continue to report on new developments as we become aware of them and appreciate the responses and support from all of my friends in the hobby!

Best Regards,

–Jack D. Young, EAC 5050


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Jack D. Young
Jack D. Young
An engineer by training, Jack D. Young is a researcher and author on the subject of the recent wave of deceptive struck counterfeits. He is the founder of the "Dark Side" Counterfeits and Fakes Facebook watch group, a participating member of Early American Coppers (EAC) since 2002, the Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC), C4, the NLG, the ANA, and the ANS. Jack has consulted on the subject of counterfeits and their effect on the Hobby with staffers of the United States Senate Finance Committee, a senior member of the U.S. Secret Service (both with the ACTF as an Expert Network volunteer), and agents of both CBP and the Department of the Treasury. His work has appeared in various club journals, including The Numismatist, and he was acknowledged for his research by Q. David Bowers in the latter's The Copper Coins of Vermont (2018). The ACTF awarded Jack Young the Alan Kreuzer Award in 2019 and the PNG presented him with the Sol Kaplan Award in 2022. He started collecting as a youth, filling a Lincoln penny board with his grandmother, and continues to collect low-grade early large cents by date and some varieties.

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2 COMMENTS

  1. So my question is this so they say to listen to a coins ring when dropped it should sound like a bell ring lasting a brief second, what is your opinion on this matter? True or not true also i have a pic of a coin can you tell me if you think its real or not from your opinion and why please only answer if you have some experience here thank you!

    • After over 50 articles in several different venues on the subject I may well not have the experience necessary to answer as you suggested! You can always take it in to your local coin shop for a hands on opinion.

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